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Apartheid looks like this

Seeded on Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:29 AM EST
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world-news, israel, palestine, human-rights, occupation, apartheid, crimes-against-humanity
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By late last year, according to the United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, 528 checkpoints and roadblocks were recorded in the West Bank, choking its roads every few miles. Israel's daily Haaretz newspaper puts the figure even higher: in January there were 75 permanently manned checkpoints, some 150 mobile checkpoints, and more than 400 places where roads have been blocked by obstacles. All these restrictions on movement for a place that is, according to the CIA's World Factbook, no larger than the small US state of Colorado.

As a result, moving goods and people from one place to the next in the West Bank has become a nightmare of logistics and costly delays. At the checkpoints, food spoils, patients die, and children are prevented from reaching their schools. The World Bank blames the checkpoints and roadblocks for strangling the Palestinian economy.

Embarrassed by recent publicity about the burgeoning number of checkpoints, the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, promised the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, in December that there would be an easing of travel restrictions in the West Bank -- to little effect, according to reports in the Israeli media. Although the army announced last month that 44 earth barriers had been removed in fulfilment of Olmerts pledge, it later emerged that none of the roadblocks had actually been there in the first place.

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Related article: Occupied Gaza like apartheid South Africa, says UN report:

    A UN human rights investigator has likened Israel's occupation of the Palestinian territories to apartheid South Africa and says there should be "serious consideration" over bringing the occupation to the international court of justice.
  • 1 vote
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 6:33 AM EST
I SPY

ISRAEL STAGES WEST BANK RAIDS

Israeli forces have launched their biggest operation in the West Bank in years. Pouring into Nablus in armoured vehicles, the Israelis exchanged gunfire with Palestinians and arrested 20 suspected militants.

The Israeli Army has imposed an indefinite curfew in the central area of Nablus, restricting the movement of up to 50,000 inhabitants. But it hasn't stopped rock-throwing Palestinians from venting their anger. Israeli media said their raids resulted in the arrest of Palestinian militants after an explosives workshop was found. Ambulance workers said at least three Palestinians were wounded from rubber bullets during an exchange of fire with Israeli soldiers. While the army said two soldiers were slightly injured by a Palestinian bomb. Israeli troops announced the curfew to residents, telling them to stay indoors, and broadcasting the names of wanted militants. The Governor of Nablus called it the biggest Israeli operation since 2004. The raids weren't restricted to Palestinians or the West Bank. In Tel Aviv, police raided the offices of three companies suspected of channelling funds to Palestinian militant groups. They led away several people for questioning and seized documents. Action on the streets is a contrast to the top-level diplomacy aimed at facilitating the formation of a new Palestinian government of unity. In Egypt, President Hosni Mubarak hosted a meeting with Jordan's King Abdullah. But the two disagree on whether restrictions should be imposed on the proposed government to make it internationally acceptable. King Abdullah believes the unity government must adhere to demands set by Quartet mediators the UN, US, EU and Russia. While Egypt said no conditions should be imposed. An Egyptian Government spokesman said the Arab summit in Saudi Arabia next month would formulate a clear position to be put to the Quartet in April.

  • 2 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 9:13 AM EST
Yves-131456

I live in Israel and it's an unsolvable mess.

No good will gesture is large enough to calm the waters of hate towards Israelis that Arabs have been fed.

Pulling out of Gaza and Lebanon without an agreement left a fertile terrorist breeding ground for Hamas and Hezbolla respectively. Instead of leading their people to prosperity, fundamentalist leaders incite hatred for the Jews and Israelis who have left and provoke a war with kidnappings across our border (as they did this summer).

Everyone in Israel knows of the suffering of the Palestinians and the greater majority would want it to end. I sat in a bomb shelter for three weeks in Haifa with men, women and children in Haifa. I came with a few hundred yards of being blown to bits by Katyusha rockets launched by a system of greed-fueled hate. I heard no hatred for hatred from my neighbors as they were bombed and fearing for their children's lives. And certainly none came from myself. You didn't hear it in the Israeli media or out in the street. The opposite, we all knew that it was even worse for the Lebanese.

By contrast, I know that the greater majority of Palestinians and southern Lebanese celebrate every Israeli ounce of suffering and rush out into the streets handing out candies when an Israeli child is killed by terrorists.

This is the difference.

The wall is ugly and painful and I wish it weren't necessary, but it has saved more Palestinian lives than Israeli ones by preventing terror and reprisals and raids. The fact is that since it was built, terror deaths have dwindled to a small percentage of what they were.

This still isn't apartheid - it is not a racially motivated situation. It is not a profit-oriented one for Israel either. It is costing us taxpayers a fortune. We do not exploit Palestinian labor. Only about 30,000 workers come into Israel to work out of a few million. But it is a security and existential problem for us. This occupation is clearly a no-win situation for both people. We in Israel mourn their suffering. We would gladly give back the land to Jordan, who lost it to us in '67. Only, they don't want it back.

Somehow, when Israelis have to suppress Palestinians it is always front-page news, but when Arab states massacre their own people in large numbers approaching real genocide, this is largely ignored by the media and quickly forgotten. There is a media bias for this situation, that does beg some serious questions about what is a worthy story.

Because there is no industry that can compete with the funding that terrorists get from Arab states like Syria and Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Iran, Palestinian leaders who benefit from the funding have no incentive to stop incitement and the war of terror. It just wouldn't be profitable. There is a reason that Arafat was worth a few hundred million dollars when he dies as the leader of on of the poorest people on earth. He certainly didn't inherit it.

And what about Arab aid to Palestinians? Arab diplomats from all over the world talk about their poor Palestinian brothers, but do little to help them except fund the terror cells and families of suicide bombers. When they do pledge money, they rarely deliver it. Rich Arab countries (including Saudi Arabia et al) only fund 3% of UNRWA's (SP?) annual budget. The rest comes from the West. They too have an interest in using the Palestinians in a proxy war with Israel, like Iran is doing with Hezbolla.

Apartheid is a Palestinian propaganda word that simply does not suit the situation. We have made peace with Egypt and Jordan when there was a sincere partner who was willing to negotiate with us. We have maintained peace with them and pulled out of their occupied territories. We seek constantly to deepen that peace and expand it. We will gladly do the same when terrorist funding dries up and anti-Israeli journalists stop helping them in their cause in exchange for a good story.

  • 5 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 10:53 AM EST
Keld Bach

We seek constantly to deepen that peace and expand it.

Expanding like this?

    The Supreme Planning Council for Judea and Samaria recently legalized the largest-ever illegal construction project in the West Bank. Part of the project is situated on private land, which belongs to Palestinian residents of the village of Bil'in.

When you stop the occupation and give back the land you stole, the situation might look a little different. Another solution might be found here.

  • 3 votes
#3.1 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 1:20 PM EST
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Yaakov

Related article: Apartheid looks like this ???

    Although it is not a new phenomena, I am getting more annoyed of late at the one-sided portrayal of events in Israel designed to cast Israeli as the evil, apartheid, hate-driven society that seeks to oppress the peace-loving Muslims who "just want to get along".
  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:40 AM EST
I SPY

Yes Yaakov, I find it's getting to be a bit too much myself. This Electronic Intifada Has gone a bit too far with this.

When the Palestinians declared they're cease fire, The Israeli Government did a shocking thing. Olmert actually held out his hand in a genuine gesture of peace. No doubt the Motives were selfish, but, he still did it.

For his trouble the Israeli Parliament have been accused of everything under the Law from Rape to Extortion. The British and Americans dashed to Sure up the State within a State plan.

Now Olmert has changed his tune and Claims that Iran wants to Commit a Nazi style Holocaust on Israel. A position which must be considered suicidal for such a small country as Israel.

I think that it is now becoming very difficult to obtain any unbiased news about this conflict.

  • 3 votes
#4.1 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 11:55 PM EST
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upright ape

The electronic intifada says it's like apartheid: quick, someone stop the presses!

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 12:38 PM EST
Dennis M Wright

Expanding like this?

The Supreme Planning Council for Judea and Samaria recently legalized the largest-ever illegal construction project in the West Bank. Part of the project is situated on private land, which belongs to Palestinian residents of the village of Bil'in.

This looks like it might be straightforward corruption, Keld. You're trying to make a wider point that's not there to be made.

This is an allegation of a domestic fraud and the legal due process will resolve it in the fullness of time.

And look at your source. You didn't have to sink to the depths of the Electronic Intifada for this one. It's there in Ha'aretz, because Israel is a democratic country with a free press. Keep reading it Keld, you might learn something.

  • 2 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Feb 26, 2007 4:15 PM EST
Keld Bach

Dennis, the situation is not "unsolvable" as Yves said above. Both people (I'm not talking about certain leaders here) want peace and security, and by ending the occupation and solving the issue about land, both can be achieved. As I've said before, a one-state solution is by far the one that will best ensure a lasting peace in the Israel/Palestine area.

    Reply#7 - Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:23 AM EST
    Gideon Polya

    Keld -excellent seed. I agree that a one-state solution (evidently that favoured by an overwhelming majority of Indigenous Inhabitants, the Palestinians) would be best for peace with equity, justice and reconciliation.

    However if the Jewish Israelis insisted on having a (temporary, given demographic trends) Jewish majority state with a (temporary) religion- and race-specific name (Israel) i.e. a (temporary) 2 state solution then there are STILL decent non-racist options available for peace with equity, justice and reconciliation e.g.

    (1) I have suggested an interim 2-state solution in the Holy Land involving (in short) 1967 borders, total joint security, inequitable (but presently pragmatic until brotherly love is universal) Israel-alone Holy Land border security and secure access to all of the Holy Land for everyone (see: "link ) and

    (2) marvellous Israeli Ha'artez journalist Deb Reich has suggested a very humane and equitable "2 states in one" EU-style solution (see: link) .

    I have posted a very detailed response to American Colonist Yaakov's piece entitled "Apartheid looks like this???" (for link see #4 above). In my response I list 14 horrendous comparisons between the Nazi-style (and often explicitly Nazi) Apartheid regime impositions on the Indigenous Africans and other Non-Europeans of Apartheid South Africa and the crimes of the Racist Zionist Apartheid Israelis against the Indigenous Palestinians (for full details of this horrendous 14-point comparison between past Apartheid South Africa and current Apartheid Israel see comment #7: link ).

    • 3 votes
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